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  1. 'Martial salvaged some sort of positive from the Etihad ruins'published at 12:34 4 October

    Alex Turk, Stretford Paddock, external

    The 188th Manchester derby, and Erik ten Hag’s first, was calamitous. There is no sugar-coating it.

    However, incredibly, one star salvaged some sort of positive note from the ruins at Etihad Stadium.

    Manchester City were 4-0 up after 45 minutes and flew 6-1 ahead in the 73rd. Ten Hag was staring a record derby defeat in the face, with four previously decided by a five-goal margin.

    But one substitute in particular slightly spared his blushes.

    Anthony Martial was primed for a huge campaign after revitalising his United career in pre-season, only for injury to strike days before the opener.

    It took until the hour mark at City to make his first competitive appearance under Ten Hag, but Martial made his presence felt.

    The Frenchman showed admirable determination to head in an 84th-minute consolation, before winning and scoring a stoppage-time penalty.

    Cristiano Ronaldo watched from the bench, awaiting an SOS call that never came. It wouldn’t be surprising if his bit-part role continued with Martial back in the fray and ahead in the pecking order.

    Fixtures are coming thick and fast, which will only help United’s number nine get up to speed and impress further amid his fight for an Old Trafford future.

  2. The Devils' Advocate podcast reflects on derby defeatpublished at 10:58 4 October

    Need a "therapy session" after the difficult loss to Manchester City? Then the Devils' Advocate podcast has you covered.

    The team break down what went wrong in Sunday's derby, try to find the positives and look ahead to this week's games.

    Listen and subscribe here on BBC Sounds

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  3. 'Ten Hag is trying to get some continuity'published at 09:18 4 October

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    There is only so much blame Erik ten Hag can take for Sunday's 6-3 derby defeat by Manchester City, according to former Premier League goalkeeper Robert Green.

    When asked if Ten Hag got his tactics and team selection wrong, Green told BBC Radio 5 Live's Football Daily podcast: "You can see why he did it, why he stuck with that team.

    "He is trying to get some continuity but, at the same time, he will say he set up the gameplan and they didn’t instil it like he asked. You’re looking at it and saying it was this halfway house.

    "On the pitch, you need that voice to say: ‘This is going wrong - let’s regroup, let’s sit tight.’

    "There isn’t that person in that XI and it just allows the game to drift. It went away from them so quickly."

    On whether it was the right decision to leave Cristiano Ronaldo on the bench, ex-England international Green added: "I think you’d say no-one wants to come on at 4-0 down, and he bringing him on would add to the circus.

    "He is going to have to leave at some point. He can’t be a Manchester United player forever. There might be a period of time where he doesn’t play as much before he leaves and this may well be it."

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  4. 'It's about mentality, attitude, togetherness and belief in the process'published at 15:10 3 October

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    Bruno Fernandes has urged his team-mates to believe in the "process" under Erik ten Hag and says Sunday's Manchester derby defeat must lead to improvement.

    Speaking after the 6-3 loss, he said: "I think the attitude and the belief from the beginning was not the best and I think it was that that caused us many problems and made us concede early goals.

    "After we have to run back the result and obviously I think the second half was much better.

    "Obviously we are really disappointed but now it's time to focus on the next game and understand that we have to get back in the performances that we did before - in the belief and everything, in the togetherness principle – and understand that this cannot get us down.

    "It has to make us improve for the future."

    The midfielder said "that's obvious" when reminded that there are still improvements to be made under Ten Hag.

    He added: "We knew that it was going to be a tough game, but we had tough games before and we have won it.

    "So, I think it's about mentality, attitude, togetherness and belief in the process."

  5. Your thoughts on Sunday's derbypublished at 12:45 3 October

    We asked for your thoughts on Sunday's Manchester derby.

    Here are some of your comments:

    City fans

    Tom: One word - masterclass.

    Bernard: Great performance. Erling Haaland is a beast and Phil Foden had his best game for City. Shame we let them score three as we completely outclassed them.

    John: Great performance, Haaland is making us lethal. Don’t see anybody stopping us.

    Paul: Stunning performance. Everything clicked. Forget the late goals for United, they were on the end of a drubbing today.

    United fans

    Ben: Erik ten Hag was not to blame for the poor display. He put out a winning team that had impressed so much recently in the league. The players are completely to blame. They didn’t bother showing up to the game and didn’t put up a fight against our big rivals. The only positive I can take from the defeat today was that Anthony Martial is back.

    Will: Midfield wasn’t up for it. The gulf in class between the likes of Scott McTominay and Christian Eriksen and Kevin de Bruyne and Bernardo Silva was clear for anybody to see. Ten Hag is the man for the job but this derby was a reality check for United fans. The only positive was Martial coming on and scoring a consolation brace.

    Jim: City were just awesome. It's the standard to strive for. I think we played OK but City are by far the best team in the UK at the moment. Unplayable.

    Pete: At least we won the second half. Even if City took their foot off the gas. Martial getting back to his best.

  6. 'It was disastrous' - Ferdinand on derby thrashingpublished at 09:57 3 October

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    Former Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand says the hardest part of the derby defeat was thinking Erik ten Hag's side had a chance against Manchester City.

    Ferdinand won it all during a glittering spell at Old Trafford but since his departure in 2014, he has seen a seismic shift in the balance of power in Manchester, summed up in a thumping defeat on Sunday.

    "It was disastrous," he told BBC Radio 5 Live's 606. "They were very poor and I wasn't happy.

    "You thought we were getting back to confidence and I really thought we had a chance when I saw the teamsheets with Rodri out and with City playing their third and fourth choice centre-backs.

    "In reality, we were light years behind."

    Listen to more from Rio at 29'30 on BBC Sounds

  7. 'You have to be honest' - Ten Hag's player criticism justifiedpublished at 09:12 3 October

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    Blackpool manager Michael Appleton believes Erik ten Hag was correct to deliver a scathing verdict on his Manchester United players after defeat at Manchester City

    The United boss said his side "lacked belief" in the 6-3 hammering at Etihad Stadium and declared it "unacceptable".

    Appleton thinks the Dutchman's message was one he needed to give.

    "I think it was fair for him to do that today," Appleton said on BBC Radio 5 Live's Football Daily podcast.

    "It's still early in his time and he has to make the players aware of his standards.

    "Sometimes it's not good enough and you have to be honest. Everyone needs to know you're just as disappointed as the fans up and down the country."

    Telegraph journalist Luke Edwards agreed, arguing that the result - and performance - underlined the current gulf between the two sides.

    "City have become an incredibly well-run football club and United have not," he said.

    "After 10 years of mis-management, you get days like this. The problems Ten Hag is facing pre-date his arrival."

    Listen to more analysis on BBC Sounds

  8. Analysis: Man City 6-3 Man Utdpublished at 07:30 3 October

    Phil McNulty, Chief football writer at Etihad Stadium

    Manchester United arrived at the Etihad fuelled by the optimism of four successive league wins but were brought down to earth by their rampant neighbours.

    United looked out of their depth within seconds of the start, surviving three goal-line clearances in the same incident before Phil Foden set the tone for the afternoon when he flashed Bernardo Silva's cross past a helpless David de Gea.

    Manager Erik ten Hag resisted the temptation to start with the experience of £70m signing from Real Madrid, Casemiro, as he stuck with Christian Eriksen, Scott McTominay and Bruno Fernandes in midfield.

    It was a decision he may now regret as United were over-powered and over-run in all areas, unable to stem the tide and failing to cope with Manchester City's creativity and the awesome power and athleticism of Haaland.

    The fact they scored more goals in the second half than City, including a beauty from new signing Antony, can hardly be labelled as a consolation as their recent upturn in results was put in perspective.

    If anyone at United thought those better results in the last few weeks meant they were moving closer to City, this scoreline - which actually flattered them - put a stop to those notions.

  9. Man City 6-3 Man United: What Ten Hag saidpublished at 16:49 2 October

    Manchester United manager Erik Ten Hag to MOTD: "It's quite simple, it's a lack of belief. When you don't believe on the pitch then you can't win games, that is unacceptable. We get undisciplined at following rules and you get hammered, that's happened today.

    "For me it was a surprise. We were not on the front foot, we were not brave on the ball and there were spaces to play but we were not brave enough.

    "All the credit to City, but it's nothing to do with City, our performance was not good. It had to do with the belief as individuals and as team.

    "From the first minute I felt it and at half-time we changed things and we changed attitude. We saw a different Manchester United after half-time and we scored goals, we created some more. On the ball we were more brave, we came in the opponent's half and we scored three goals.

    "In this moment I can't think about positives. We let our fans down, we let ourselves down and we're hugely disappointed."